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CORNER CUBE WEDNESDAY: ECW's HD debut fizzles, RawHD feedback

Jan 23, 2008 - 10:25:48 AM


By James Caldwell, Torch columnist

Updated throughout the day from the corner cubicle, Torch columnist James Caldwell's weekday blog focuses on hot topic current events and other items of interest from around wrestling.

Updated Wednesday, January 23

10:25 a.m. Last night's ECW had all the glitz and glamour of a big-feel show, but it ended on a downer note with the heels conspiring for an ECW Title change and a lackluster debut from Kofi Kingston. Colin D. remains great in the Big Three of mid-card excellence - Santino (Raw) and Jamie Noble (SD) being in his peer group. The Rumble video package was a nice touch to give ECW something tangible - anything! - to call their own in selling the PPV. But, without the usual filler ECW Title match for the PPV, it came down to booking a five-man battle royale that was too short to give viewers a real taste for the PPV.

The production value to last night's show was a major upgrade over the previous ECW set. The previous set was designed to give ECW an "alternative" feel, but over time, "alternative" become second-rate and drab. So, it was nice to see ECW wrestlers with full ring entrances in vibrant color for a change. Viewers who were once interested in ECW because it was supposed to be different than Raw and Smackdown have long-since given up on watching. Now that the show feels major-league, WWE might get some interested "WWE casual" viewers back to the show.

WWE has their snazzy video presentation, but if they don't give viewers something worth watching, it'll be for naught. I think people will stick around if C.M. Punk gives them something to cheer about. Punk's character has been idling for months. To start this year, there was a little bit of fire from Punk, as his character was written to claim ownership of the show. But, that was long overdue and too little, too late.

Now, without the belt, Punk can go a different direction. If he's going to maintain a babyface position, he has to cut a very passionate promo that gets his fans (and there were girls screaming during his intro last night) riled up in his favor without sounding like he's whining about the stacked deck. Fan reaction will determine whether he's cheered or deemed a crybaby for standing up to the conspirators headed by Armando Estrada.

For once in a great while, Punk has options with his character. I don't think he was given a fair shake as champion, having to wrestle the likes of Mark Henry, Big Daddy V, and The Miz. That's tough sledding to improve in the ring and grow a fanbase taking beatings every week. How Punk is presented next week will determine the direction of his character going forward. Should be interesting.

As for Kofi Kingston's debut, I wasn't too impressed. He was a little rough around the edges. If this were American Idol competition (work with me here), I'd say he was trying to hit all the high notes in a Whitney Houston song, but forgot to stay in key and on pitch. He definitely wouldn't be going to Hollywood, like the single father from California with the babyface-enhancing four-year-old child. (Man, that guy can sing.) The potential for Kofi is there, and maybe it was a bad night or the wrong opponent, but he needs to smooth out some of those rough spots.

Let's look at some of the feedback from HD viewing of Raw last night...

Torch reader Jennifer Stevens checks in: I have a 42" LCD flat screen television, but my local cable provider does not include the USA Network in its HD lineup. Despite the obvious limitations of a standard vs. HD broadcast, the show was hardly a letdown. The new sets looked crisp and brilliant, and the energy level was off the charts for much of the show. There were a few technical hiccups during the opening bout, but other than that the show came across flawlessly. I'm very much looking forward to purchasing the Royal Rumble in HD to experience the full effect of WWE's new technology.

JC: Monday night, I watched Raw on my HDTV, but on the regular USA channel, like Jennifer. I noticed the same technical glitches on the standard channel during the opening match. There was one spot in particular where Kennedy and Michaels were battling on the top turnbuckle and I could only see a few dangling legs in the lower third of the screen. So, there were some early flaws, but even on the standard feed, the crispness of the videos and entrances really came across. It looked like a major PPV broadcast.

Torch reader Michael Bahn checks in ... I'm not sure if my cable system had the USAHD channel, but since I do not have an HDTV this whole hoopla is of no benefit to me. I would hope that you would at the very least consider and take into account the possibility that not everyone has an HDTV.

JC: Certainly, there are plenty of wrestling fans who don't have HD capability on their cable or satellite system. I'm not sure if the American household percentage has tipped over to 50 percent on HD vs. non-HD TVs, but I keep seeing ads on the local cable about standard TVs becoming obsolete in a few years. A little bit of scare tactics, but it's going to come to the point where no one is selling standard TVs three or four years from now. As for now, yes, the HD hoopla isn't applicable to standard TV sets. But, even on a low-def. TV, the crispness of the new sets and graphics and ring entrances is an upgrade over the previous sets, ECW especially.

Updated Tuesday, January 22

6:55 p.m. Today's big story in entertainment news is the death of 28-year-old actor Heath Ledger in his New York City apartment. Now, it's far too early to speculate on cause of death or what contributed to his death, but the AP is reporting that sleeping pills were found on his bed.

It could have been an accidental death; it could have been an intentional death. So, it's important to keep that in mind when trying to be sensitive to Ledger's family and the situation. But, this is going to be a huge story in the 24-hour news cycle, so it's important to look at what's going on.

The story reads just like the many pro wrestling deaths from the past two decades. Wrestler found dead before the age of 40. Sleeping pills involved. Circumstances a bit fuzzy. Yet, after about 50 of these, people are still walking around with the mentality of "yeah, but it won't happen to me."

To be fair, not everyone is dependent on pills to be part of the wrestling business. Just like not every young Hollywood actor is out partying every night. But, there's a problem. Pro wrestling is trying to address it (with some success and some fail), but pro wrestling's lessons aren't being heeded by mainstream individuals who haven't followed the wrestling business or seen the list of deaths.

Unless we're content to live in a society where superstars are placed on a pedestal for our entertainment desires, and we allow them to risk their bodies to generate our entertainment, and simply wash our hands of any guilt when they die or risk serious injury, such as Owen Wilson, then yeah, continue to demand entertainment from the next superstar waiting on the assembly line.

But, I believe we're better than that. At least, I'd like to think we're capable of intelligent thought on these serious issues. That's why 2007 was about asking questions on concussions, and how drug dependency interacts with concussions and steroids. Otherwise, we'd simply say, "the heck with it, take another unprotected chair shot to the head."

How many wrestler deaths is one too many? How many more times do I have to pick up the paper and read about another thirtysomething rapper's death, where the article details his style, influence, and record deals, instead of asking the tough questions and saying, "hey, there appears to be a problem, let's address it."

There is too much hand-washing in the entertainment business. I'm not sure who's responsible for it because I don't cover music and entertainment. But, if you apply the history of pro wrestling from the past 20 years to the current state of the entertainment business - from Britney on down - it's obvious there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

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12:35 p.m. Last night's Raw was a very significant show. It was significant for the obvious of the HD debut. But, it was also significant because WWE delivered WrestleMania-level hype to a WWE Title match at the Royal Rumble. In past years, title matches contested at the Rumble PPV have been given a backseat to the Rumble match itself.

I think back to the 2004 Rumble when the hype was for Chris Benoit against a stacked deck in the Rumble match. Meanwhile, WWE had a "filler" title match of Brock Lesnar defending against Hardcore Holly. This year, a significant amount of the star power is concentrated in the singles match. Hardy-Orton. Edge-Rey. Flair-MVP. JBL-Jericho. Finlay-Khali.

Looking at the list of 21 wrestlers currently qualified for the Rumble, there isn't as much star power as in previous years. Sure, there's Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Batista, and Mr. Kennedy. But, the focus is more on the singles matches, not the Rumble.

WWE created four really good storylines that came together at once to create intriguing singles matches. Hardy's ascension to the main event has been the stuff of legend, while Orton's character has finally found the right note. Jericho's second coming and JBL's move from the broadcast booth back to the ring have collided head-on.

Flair's retirement program is something fans can grasp hold of as a tangible storyline, while MVP has become a main event heel on Smackdown. Rey's quest for his second World Title has been downplayed, but the Rey vs. Guerrero family storyline is something fans are (all too) familiar with from a recycling of the post-Eddie feud between Rey and Chavo.

I'd argue this Rumble card is one of WWE's best line-ups from top-to-bottom since WrestleMania 23 or the Backlash PPV a few weeks after Mania. Just look at the possibilities for the opening match on the card. JBL vs. Jericho is a PPV main event waiting to happen if there is something tangible on the line. There could be a World Title match to open the show with Rey vs. Edge. It's just a stacked line-up this year.

But, the hype for Hardy vs. Orton was so well done the past three weeks, starting with Hardy's dive from the top of the cage and stare down at Orton. It feels like a WrestleMania main event match, which they can't do for every PPV, but they have to find a way to get their declining PPV buys back to acceptable levels. If WWE continues to focus on individual PPV match-ups with this much quality TLC, I'm convinced the buys will reverse the negative trend over the long haul.

Throughout this week, I'll break down the Big Four singles matches and the Rumble match itself leading to Sunday's PPV. As for the HD debut last night, I'm curious how you, the readers, watched the show. I know some people don't have USA HD on their cable systems. Did you watch the show on HD or the regular feed, and what are your thoughts on how it came across?

Updated Monday, January 21

2:50 p.m. At the risk of painting music industry journalists with a very large broke stroke of obliviousness (because it's unfair when blanket opinions are attributed to all wrestling journalists as a whole), it seems to me that some people just don't get the steroid issue.

I'm not an expert by any means on the music industry, but you and I, who follow the wrestling business closely, know what the issue is from living through the death cycle in wrestling. So, I'll take an opinion piece on Yahoo Music as an example of why the picture is still fuzzy to the general public.

The music industry was rocked last week when New York state's federal investigation into Signature Pharmacy records revealed names of several famous music artists. There have been informed opinions on the significance of this story, but misconceptions continue to be fueled by the mainstream media.

The premise of the Yahoo article is that the government's accusations of steroid purchases by well-known celebrities must be false because Wyclef Jean isn't ripped to shreds and getting endorsement deals for fitness products. It could be as simple as Wyclef's name appearing on Signature Pharmacy records because he's buying for someone else. But, for the sake of argument, let's look at the real issue.

Apparently, the lessons from the Mitchell Report haven't been learned, where the story isn't about breaking home run records, but finding an edge in a particular profession. Just because a person isn't ripped doesn't mean he or she isn't using steroids. People can debate the specific health-ramifications forever, and the discussion is very important, but today's issue is athletes and celebrities gaining an edge through unfair, illegal, and potentially unsafe means if used in excess.

In wrestling, TNA is usually overlooked in wrestling's steroids game because WWE pushes larger-than-life athletes, who get the skeptical looks and questions. But, just because TNA has a roster of mid-sized wrestlers who won't win bodybuilding contests (pause for the make-believe Mr. Maple Leaf Muscle), doesn't exclude TNA from the conversation. The drug testing set to begin at today's TV taping will establish some baseline levels that may or may not reinforce my point, although TNA won't disclose the results publicly per their company policy.

The takeaway that we have maintained through countless stories written here on the Torch is that steroids is an enhancer for people of all sizes, shapes, and body types. It's about gaining a competitive edge.

Apparently without even realizing it, the Yahoo author hits home on the issue when he says Timbaland, who was on the Signature Pharmacy list, is now taking his shirt off with confidence in recent music videos. Something like that will make a strong impression with decision-makers in the industry. Whether or not Timbaland used steroids from an illegal source hasn't been proven yet. But, if he did, he found an edge through unfair, illegal, and potentially unsafe means. That's the issue. In music, in entertainment, in sports, and especially in wrestling.

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11:15 a.m. It's been a few weeks since I've watched Smackdown. Actually, it's the first Smackdown show I've watched this year. So, it was interesting watching this last night on the DVR to catch up on what I missed. My first thought after watching the show is how great MVP and Ric Flair were in the VIP Lounge segment.

The VIP Lounge segment was great, in part because it didn't look rehearsed or scripted or force-fed. It was like two men were thinking off the top of their heads in reaction to each other's comments, building to a climax in their war of words. MVP with one line, Flair one-upped him, MVP one-upped him, and then Flair just chopped him and left.

For the past three or four years, Ric Flair's role on the mic has been very limited, in comparison to what we know he's capable of. The supposed reason was to allow younger wrestlers an opportunity to work on their promos and not be overshadowed by Flair. There's a hint of logic to that, but they took it too far by nearly eliminating Flair's promo time, instead of reaching a compromise of Flair interacting with a younger talent.

Flair didn't overshadow MVP in the Lounge segment; he enhanced his cocky heel character, even giving a little rub by saying that MVP reminds of him, but he'll never be him. And MVP with the classic line, "Nah, that's because I'm better than you." In practice, when WWE utilizes Flair in a give-and-take, rather than a give-and-disappear, storylines are enhanced by a significant margin. Now, I'm wondering how many wasted opportunities there were to enhance younger talent when WWE took a pessimistic view to using Flair with a mic in hand.

The other thing stood out to me was the announcing of Michael Cole and The Coach. I'm really disappointed in WWE's approach to this announce team. It's not the selection of Jonathan Coach that I'm even concerned about. I think he's a serviceable-to-good announcer. The problem is that a) he's not JBL and b) he's not challenging Cole.

Challenging Cole comes in two different ways. JBL challenged Cole to cut out his bad habits of superlatives and histrionics. When Cole slipped into his 1999ish bad form, JBL quickly pointed it out. There is none of that with Coach. It's like an echo in the room, with Coach repeating, rephrasing, and reinforcing what Cole says into his own words.

The other "challenge" element is that Coach isn't playing devil's advocate. JBL played the heel wrestling announcer perfectly, and it made for great TV commentary, even helping Cole improve as an announcer because he refined his arguments in support of the babyfaces - as the voice of the fans. Coach isn't being scripted for that role, leaving a huge void in how the stories are being told on the show.

The storylines are pretty basic, with Flair-MVP obviously being the bright spot. The one that's really disturbing is the direction of the Vickie Guerrero storyline. I'm still trying to give WWE the benefit of the doubt on this one, but Chavo's scripted line to Vickie early in the show made my blood boil in frustration (which apparently is the intended purpose, so WWE is doing its wrestling carny job of getting heat on Vickie and Chavo).

After apologizing to Vickie for his outburst last week, Chavo said: "I think I speak for the rest of the Guerreros when I say that, Vickie, you're right. You should be able to go on with the rest of your life, and you should be able to love again." There's only one thing missing from that: it should be OFF TV in Vickie's private life, not as part of a TV storyline. I still can't wrap my head around Vickie having to be part of this storyline.

Imagine you're a partner with a good-sized law firm. You die, and your salary, bonuses, stock options, etc. transfer to your wife, who is now widowed. Now, imagine there is no transfer of assets, and your widow must work for the law firm to earn a decent living without the income generated by you. That's what's happening here. Maybe I'm crazy, but it doesn't make any sense.

You could say WWE is still stung by the settlement to Martha Hart, but I don't buy that when a wrestling company with billions of dollars in assets and 95 percent monopolization of the American market can't transfer the downside guarantee of Eddie Guerrero's contract to Vickie and her family for x number of years. But, WWE operates in its own world where stockholders are oblivious and wrestlers are considered independent contractors, yet they would never be able to work a TNA PPV or an ROH show.

For more opinions and analysis, be sure to check out Jon Mezzera's Smackdown Hitlist from this week's show in the Specialist section. Mezzera does a great job of breaking down every TV episode during the week.


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CALDWELL: The biggest question going into March 8 - What is TNA?
CALDWELL'S WEEKLY CHAT w/GREG PARKS - Raw, NXT, and Smackdown discussed in-depth
CALDWELL'S BLOG: NXT Day-After thoughts, TNA out of the Impact Zone, Kid brings cereal laced with pot to school
CALDWELL: Instant Analysis on NXT Week 2 - This isn't what I had in mind
RADICAN'S TAKE
RADICAN'S VIP BLOG: More thoughts on HBK: My Journey, HBK talks early WWF years
RADICAN'S VIP BLOG: Early review of new Shawn Michaels DVD
RADICAN'S VIP BLOG: A special moment on Impact between Abyss and Hogan (w/VIDEO)
RADICAN'S VIP BLOG: Having a concussion was "no biggie" according to Russo
RADICAN'S EVOLVE DVD REVIEW SERIES: Evolve 1 - Richards vs. Ibushi, Sawa vs. TJP
RADICAN'S TNA AGAINST ALL ODDS PPV BLOG 2/14: Ongoing "virtual time" coverage of TNA's February PPV
The Specialists
3/16 WWE NXT Hits & Misses: Wins/Losses, Gabriel & Hardy vs. Young & Punk, Still No Format Explanation
ABSURDITY OF IT ALL - TNA Impact: Where's Samoa Joe?, How Did The Nastys & Spike Get On TV?, Destination X - "Wait, It's This Sunday?"
ABSURDITY OF IT ALL - WWE Raw: USA Network Censors Stone Cold & Blood, Mega Legacy Explodes, Stone Cold Gives John Cena The Ring?
3/15 WWE Raw Hits & Misses: Sheamus, Triple H vs. Orton, Legacy, Contract Signing
3/12 WWE Smackdown Hits & Misses: Punk Sings, McIntyre in MIB, Truth vs. Miz, Highlight Reel
GARDNER'S KEY MOMENT OF THE WEEK: TNA needs to re-evaluate its marketing strategy vs. WWE Raw after March 8 ratings results
Guest Editorials
GUEST EDITORIAL: TNA presents Hulk Hogan as "Randy the Ram" and other Oscar Week ploys
GUEST EDITORIAL: Abyss - Let's Not Give Up On Him Yet, How to fix the Monster
GUEST EDITORIAL/ECW TV REAX: The final ECW TV episode was a microcosm of all that was good and bad about WWE's version of ECW
GUEST EDITORIAL: The End of an Error for the ECW brand, What to do with ECW's current stars
GUEST EDITORIAL: Proposal on how to use the ECW timeslot to create innovative TV feeding Raw & Smackdown
GUEST EDITORIAL - CD REVIEW: WWE's new album features work-out quality jams, awful tracks, screeching guitar solos
Torch Feedback
Monday Night Reax #4: "One word summarizes this week's Raw: focus"
Monday Night Reax #3: "I don't need to see The Nasty Boys or Jimmy Hart wrestling in 2010"
Monday Night Reax #2: "I want to be entertained and I want TNA to succeed, but this was bad"
WWE Raw Reax #1: "Austin showed more charisma than the rest of the roster combined before even opening his mouth"
WWE NXT Reax #2: "Slater & Christian could one day re-create the magic of Edge & Christian"
Monday Night Reax #6: "There is so much potential in TNA with RVD, Hardy, and Styles"
Ask the Editor
Ask the Editor: Wouldn't incorporating MMA-style holds into pro wrestling matches just be trying to be something it's not?
ASK THE EDITOR: Have the Michaels-Batista promos crossed a line with use of insider terms, references to "jobs"?
ASK THE EDITOR: Why do wrestlers in WWE refer to wrestling as "the business" and not "the sport"?
ASK THE EDITOR: Why didn't Curt Hennig get a run with the WWE World Title?
ASK THE EDITOR: Would Jesse Ventura make a good U.S. President, since he served your state as Governor?
ASK THE EDITOR: WWE excluded the Dudleys from Greatest Tag Team Ever - justified or not?
DVDs - VGames - Books
CALDWELL'S BOOK REVIEW: One of the best wrestling storytellers delivers highly entertaining history & insight in "The World According to Dutch"
RADICAN'S EVOLVE DVD REVIEW SERIES: Evolve 1 - Richards vs. Ibushi, Sawa vs. TJP
GUEST EDITORIAL - CD REVIEW: WWE's new album features work-out quality jams, awful tracks, screeching guitar solos
CALDWELL'S DVD REVIEW - "The Marine 2" strong on DiBiase's performance, weak on plot and storyline
RADICAN'S ROH DVD REVIEW SERIES: 10/9 "Clash of the Contenders" - Omega-Richards, Delirious-Aries
RADICAN'S DVD REVIEW SERIES: CHIKARA'S "Three Fisted Tales" - Castagnoli-Kingston, Colony-Portal
Torch Flashbacks
WWE WRESTLEMANIA COUNTDOWN - 1998 PPV Report (WM 14): Steve Austin wins WWF Title, Undertaker vs. Kane, Mike Tyson, Pete Rose
WWE WRESTLEMANIA COUNTDOWN - 1997 PPV Report (WM 13): Undertaker vs. Sid, Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart double-turn
WWE WRESTLEMANIA COUNTDOWN - 1996 PPV Report (WM 12): Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart Iron Man match, Ultimate Warrior vs. Triple H
WWE WRESTLEMANIA COUNTDOWN - 1995 PPV Report (WM 11): Lawrence Taylor vs. Bam Bam Bigelow, HBK vs. Diesel, Hart vs. Backlund
WWE WRESTLEMANIA COUNTDOWN - 1994 PPV Report (WM 10): Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon ladder match, Bret vs. Owen, Bret vs. Yokozuna
WWE WRESTLEMANIA COUNTDOWN - 1993 PPV Report (WM 9): Bret Hart vs. Yokozuna, Hulk Hogan wins WWF Title, Luger vs. Mr. Perfect
VIP Exclusive Features
3/17 VIP East Coast Audio - NXT: Daniel Bryan 0-4, Hardy vs. Punk tag match, Are there any rules for this show? (50 min.)
PWTorch Newsletter #1138 (16 pages): Keller cover story on Impact ratings drop, Keller editorial on rerouting Impact, Powell's Page 2 Buzz scoops, Mitchell on WM26, Parks on NXT, Hoops Nostalgia
3/17 PWTorch Livecast & VIP Aftershow: Wade Keller & Pat McNeill discuss ways to change Impact's course, take live calls, answer email questions (81 min.)
3/16 PWTorch Livecast & VIP Aftershow: Wade Keller & Bruce Mitchell discuss Impact ratings drop, mistakes made on Impact, Raw's relative strengths (75 min.)
3/16 Wade Keller Hotline - TNA Impact: Hardy vs. Styles, Destination X Hype, More Bischoff than RVD, Jimmy Hart wrestles (29 min.)
3/15 Wade Keller Hotline - WWE Raw: Review of the return of Steve Austin, Bret-Vince Contract Signing, WrestleMania Rematches, Hall of Fame Announcements, more (14 min.)
Torch Trivia
TORCH TRIVIA 2/28: Which wrestler backed out of a WWA PPV in February 2002?
TORCH TRIVIA 2/27: Who said this quote about Hulk Hogan's athleticism 11 years ago?
TORCH TRIVIA 2/25: What said this quote about WWE's mid-1990s drug testing policy?
TORCH TRIVIA 2/24: What do you remember about the World Wrestling Network promotion from 15 years ago?
TORCH TRIVIA 2/22: Answer to who defeated Paul London on a TNA PPV from February 2003
TORCH TRIVIA 2/22: Who defeated Paul London on a TNA PPV from February 2002?
Torch Instant Polls
WWE & TNA POLLS: Vote on Raw vs. Impact Weeks 1 & 2, MVP of 3/15 shows
WWE SMACKDOWN MVP POLL: Who was the MVP of the 3/12 Smackdown if you saw the show?
WWE NXT POLL: Who was the MVP of the 3/9 NXT if you saw the show?
TNA IMPACT POLL: Who was the MVP of the 3/8 Impact if you saw the show?
WWE RAW MVP POLL: Who was the MVP of the 3/8 Raw if you saw the show?
WWE SMACKDOWN MVP POLL: Who was the MVP of the 3/5 Smackdown if you saw the show?
PWTorch Free Podcast
FREE: Wednesday PWTorch Livecast (3/16) now available featuring Wade Keller & Pat McNeill
MMATorch Daily Audio News Brief (13 min.): Rapid-fire overview of the news of the day in world of UFC, Strikeforce, all MMA
FREE: Tuesday PWTorch Livecast (3/16) now available featuring Wade Keller & Bruce Mitchell
FREE: Monday PWTorch Livecast (3/15) now available featuring Wade Keller & Jason Powell
FREE: Friday PWTorch Livecast (3/12) now available featuring Wade Keller & Greg Parks
FREE: Thursday PWTorch Livecast (3/11) now available featuring James Caldwell & UK Sun's Rob McNichol
Annual Obituaries
SPECIALIST: List of Deceased Wrestlers for 1999 - Muchnick, Rick Rude, Owen Hart, Renegade...
SPECIALIST: List of Deceased Wrestlers for 2000 - Solie, Albright, Duncum, Tsuruta, Blue Demon, Al Costello
SPECIALIST: List of Deceased Wrestlers for 2001: Johnny Valentine, Terry Gordy, Chris Adams, Bertha Faye, Helen Hart
SPECIALIST: List of Deceased Wrestlers for 2002 (Wahoo, Thesz, Rocco, Mr. Wrestling)
SPECIALIST: List of Deceased Wrestlers for 2002 (Wahoo, Thesz, Rocco, Mr. Wrestling)
SPECIALIST: List of Deceased Wrestlers for 2003 (Hawk, Hennig, Blassie, Liz)