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WWE Cyber Sunday Reax #2: "Orton and Shawn tore it up, but the booking was dumb as hell."
Oct 28, 2007 - 11:18:48 PM


Mike Roberts of Columbus, Ohio (8.0): Best Match: Randy Orton vs. Shawn Michaels Worst Match: Kane vs. MVP. Great show!The last hour or so was a must see!Orton/HBK was super(except for the cheap finish). It was pure old school style and both were on their game more than ever. Orton's selling was off the charts and I felt he's the best seller out there today. He makes even the simplest move look lethal. But please HBK, enough with the chops already. Man you;'re getting worse than Ric Flair. And please learn a new move for your comebacks besides the usual five move set you've been doing the past five years. Triple H vs. Umaga was an awesone brawl with the highlight of course being Umaga's running table splash. But of course since it wasn't Vince he was wrestling you knew Triple H would win. And the Taker-Batista match was way better than I thought it would be. And Taker actually jobbed clean! Any bets he'll do it again anytime soon? Didn't think so. The rest of the show though was a waste of time, but the last half of it more than made up for it.

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David of Missouri (5.0): Best Match: Batista/Taker Worst Match: Miz vs. Punk. Cyber Sunday was an okay event, but I have to say the guys worked their asses off, and these guys' hard work week in and week out is something I always have to mention because some internet fans never realize how hard WWE guys work. Mysterio vs. Finlay I enjoyed. The alternative ending because of the TV cord was good because it seemed like it was thought of quickly then executed quickly. I cannot beleive the fans chose Miz. Miz might be good if he was allowed to be more of himself, but the whole Real World craze has died. Punk is always great. Okay match. Hardy and Kennedy tore it up. Is it just me or does Hardy look more in pain every week when he comes out? This goes back to Vince McMahon needing to give guys weeks off periods and Congress probably having to step in to make him do it. MVP and Kane was basic. Kane and MVP's acts are becoming very stale. Orton and Shawn tore it up, but the booking was dumb as hell. I didn't pay $40 to see a sh---y finish like that. I get they want to continue the feud, but Orton beating Shawn cleanly doesn't mean you have to end the fued. Umaga and Triple H had a great clash. Umaga is getting a little stale; a babyface Umaga needs to happen. Batista and Taker also had a great main event, and it was cool seeing Austin again. Good show, but I have to say that I'm so tired of WWE showing a million video packages (Vote for JBL, recaps of Orton kicking Shawn's ass, commercials) on a $40 show. I think it's lazy writing when you just show video packages of stuff, people paid 40 bucks, give them all new content.

Terrie Neilson of Las Vegas, Nev. (9.0): Best: Michaels vs. Orton. Worst: Punk vs. Miz (but the effort was there). I give Cyber Sunday the 9.0 for keeping it simple (a nice spicing of promos, a few needed plugs, and everything else wrestling). The only real penalties I gave were for the matches that I think weren't supposed to happen. I can't explain the vote for the ECW match, and the match itself seemed to illustrate that WWE was probably expecting another go round for Punk-Morrison. The effort was there to make a go of it, but it failed badly. Compared to the Punk-Morrison match at SummerSlam, this actually went better. Rey-Finlay recovered very nicely on the finish when the TV cable caught the stretcher. Since the shillelagh stayed on the pole after the vote, I expected it to be used (all three match choices were essentially No DQ anyway). Same as Punk-Miz, MVP-Kane had to make last-minute due. Wasn't a great match either, but the gash to Matt's head wasn't expected. I am curious though as to what the vote would have been had the match not been thrown out. Kennedy looked legitimately pissed at his vote tally (I expected Shawn to win, but the tallies to be closer than they were). The Kennedy-Hardy match had something to prove and did well to do that. The crowd at Sam's Town (a WWE "blast area") absolutely scratched their heads that Michaels-Orton was placed as low as it was on the card. Any Shawn Michaels match within three of the headline main event is in what I call "Showstopper Position," where that match, should it go well, is the calling card that what will follow has to step up. And sure enough, everything that followed did. That slow-mo on the Sweet Chin Music low blow looked just a little too genuine targeted, if you know what I mean. Shawn deserved the heat return afterwards. Triple H-Umaga was a brutal match, which was surprisingly kept fairly simple with fewer weapons than I would have expected, and no blood from Triple H. Taker-Batista, while it was very good with the crowds on both ends going insane for the finisher kickouts, suffered from sequelitis. And I hate to say it, Austin phoned in his sppearance. The pinfall counts were fair, but everything else was lackadaisical. The vote count, however, still proved that he got a landslide on name alone. Will a confrontation with Santino come next? I can't really say judging by tonight. Overall, a good PPV. I didn't pay to see it, but it would have been worth the money.

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